Wheres a good place to get the parts for this? Maybe it's stuck. Plentiful rust. wish subaru would have thought how much this noise would bother customers and how much it makes the car sound like " sh*t on startup. But theres not much you can do besides try those additives before a rebuild or new engine is needed. Looks like there are a range of options and prices. Who installed it??? How did you confirm its the chain? check out the. The fix is to replace the tensioner, and requires engine to come out, so very expensive. On a scale of 1-10, it's a 2 for me. BTW is the valve a separate item from the oil filter? Rennlist Forum Glitches - post them here. A forum community dedicated to BMW E46, E90, and F30 owners and enthusiasts. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Could just be lifters not staying pumped up. just a delay in oil pressure build up and design of the chain tensioner. You may onto something here. If the rattle is not continuous as you drive and never gets any worse don't fret about it. Archive - I know you guys that are Subaru peeps (sounds like Carl is dealer affiliated somehow?) Do Not Sell My Personal Information -, By logging into your account, you agree to our. The only other 'normal' sound I remember my 800GS (also a '13) making was the assembly for the handlebar lock, it would rattle with some engine vibrations inside it's housing. If the engine has been turned off for a long time, the oil pressure drops down and the oil partially flows back into the oil sump. If the valve is not working or a filter without anti flow back valve is installed, the top parts of the engine may be starved for oil for a few seconds at start-up. Needs a full timing chain job. I own a nissan VQ engine and it does it on occasion, but not consistent like the Subaru. My 2013 gas does it every time in the morning with 41K. Still installed the new one. Also the rattle is only the first half a second after start. Everyone with Timing Chain Rattle Please Read. Pls verify dealer's response: (long). Then when the engine does fire up, I already have some oil pressure built up. I have the accumulator but its the older style one not the later post 9/01 type. Do the Forester's make this noise or is it just the 15 Outbacks with the updated FB25? :grin2:. Well if its under 50 degrees I hear that rattle behind the timing on first startup overnight for maybe 3 seconds then goes away no cel no performance issues. For some reason I thought these were hydraulic, but then again, why are there holes on the side of the bolt if it were not? You could replace the tensioner. So I will first try a new oil filter, just had my oil changed a few weeks ago and I'm suspicious of the new filter the shop put in. Edit: how did I forget I got burned once by a 3.5L with a bad CVVT mechanism. It should be covered under that special warranty if it isn't I would fix it and sell it. View my fuel log 2020 Mirage ES 1.2 manual: 43.0 mpg (US) 18.3 km/L 5.5 L/100 km 51.6 mpg (Imp). I think that is the anti drain back valve which keeps the filter assy. Accessory belt or pulley noise? Most likely it's lifter ticking due to air in the hydraulic lifters. Contact Us - I'm actually about to do another timing chain job on another srx this weekend. Welcome Guest! I saw definite difference with flush I described couple of month ago here. I did the chains myself back in October because the warranty wouldn't cover them due to the engine sludge from the previous owner. Fisheagle, I would be very careful about running the oil level at 50% full as the oiling system of the M86/96 engine in these cars is somewhat marginal. With enough pushing they will fix it under warranty. Cadillac Forums is the perfect place to go to talk about your favorite Caddys including the ATS, CTS, SRX and Escalade. Not sure on what weight. I had mentioned a couple months ago, in this thread, that I was able to prevent the rattle by cranking the engine a couple times prior to starting it. It will be a good project for this spring. This summer I went to town and rebuilt the vanos, as well as replaced the chain/guides/all three chain tensioners. I change my CVVT for my 2008 Hyundai Santa Fe rattler stops for about 6 months and came back very frustrating because is something very expensive to do Im not sure if was a bad part, bad installation, both or just bad luck well hoping better luck for this guy, There used to be a tech bulletin about a rattle when not using an oem Hyundai filter. I ran the crap out of that engine too. I'm going to look more into this weekend. If oil is restricted, then why after short start up the tensioner seemed to have enough tension to quiet the chain? Nissan Forums is the go to place to talk about your favorite Nissan model, including the Rogue, Maxima, Altima and even sports cars like the 370Z and 200SX. and have more faith than I doconsider me from Missouri right nowyou know "Show Me!" Advertising - My 03 did that a lot. If it was 4WD, was wondering how you dealt with the oil pan. I never noticed a noise, but maybe I'm not listening for it. I've got a book, looks like I better start reading up on checking oil pressure. My guess is it's one of the timing chain guides. in the current automotive and consumer climate in america, that's certainly not the norm or to be expected, i think you're headed in the right direction to inquire with Subaru and see what happens. Sitemap - I had a neighbor whose Kia did that the whole year I lived there. By Slipster in forum Flying Brick K-bikes, https://motomanufacturing.com/cam-chain-tensioner/. I am speculating, obviously, but enjoy the rattle free starts nonetheless. Are you sure it is not something else? If it's low, the tensioner will not work properly. Approx 1 in 5 times when you cold start the engine it has what I believe a timing chain rattle. I am beginning to think that the timing chain tensioner is the issue. Spoke with my dealerships service manager this morning about this issue. However, it 100% sounds like chain rattle. In 2017, the 3A92 got roller rockersanyone know if the noise is better or worse? Greetings. Okaymy wife primarily drives our 2015 OB Limited. oh really? I'll see if I can find a link for ya. Its behind the timing cover. Mine usually sits in the garage (flat). I've continued to search previous threads and read up on the chain tensioner rattle more. The chain was wearing a groove in the metal on the guide. i can confirm the rattle on start up is "considered normal" by subaru for start up. It was like that for years, to ease your mind.

Make sure to use exactly what is recommended by Hyundai. JavaScript is disabled. I didnt think it was timing chain tensioners, sounds more like lifters are waiting for oil pressure to build up.. TC Tensioners should keep tension even w/engine off, either way its insanely less clacky than this 2001 1.9L TDI motor I have in my garage.. now that sounds like a Diesel. That is timing chain noise. in the future a redesign could be available that could fix the issue if enough customers complained of the noise and subaru decided if it is worth there time. 1999 Boxster 2.5L Manual Transmission - advice/help, The following errors occurred with your submission. It is brief, but still there. Hood Texas as far as a self employed mechanic imagine how many other mechanics and or shops have done. Is been less than 6k miles since I did the timing chains. Yes, just noticed it on mine the other day in fact. No. Just replaced the timing chain, tensioner, guides, and sprockets on my friends 95 hardbody. I see a trade in very soon. NOT for bike related questions. The tensioner also uses a ratcheting mechanism to keep the chain tight when there is no oil pressure on start up. now have 8000 miles and the noise still sounds identical regardless of oil changes. I will certainly try the Nissan OEM filter on my next oil change as well. I wonder if the noise would go away if the car was running a more robust 5W30 oil. I noticed a slight reduction in engine noise. This is a good read from someone else on this subject: I have found a way to temporarily alleviate this symptom. i can only imagine how noisy its gonna be when i start it when i get home from the beach in 2 weeks lol. That trick has slowly become ineffective and now I get the rattle every morning for 3 -4 sec. The problem could be the hydraulic tensioner or a worn chain guide. 05 srx awd v6 (gone), '07 GXP, 2010 li'l red wagon 3.6. The camshaft adjustment is hydraulically actuated and controlled by the engine oil pressure. Start-up rattle can also be an indication of worn chain guides/ramps, but if it suddenly disappears, then I'm thinking chain tensioners and maybe some debris within has been dislodged allowing the tensioner to maintain pressure between starts. Not for the average DIYer but also a costly job at a shop.

Idle it for about 5-10 minutes and then perform and oil change with some 20w-50. I don't think the tensioner is hydraulic. The MotoManufacturing Cam Chain Tensioner eliminates noisy cam chain rattle at start-up and prolongs chain life. Fortunately, it is quiet all the time besides immediately after a cold start up, like after sitting all night. I really doubt it's timing chain rattle - timing chain issues are basically unheard of on an N52. General E90 Sedan / E91 Wagon / E92 Coupe / E93 Cabrio, Recommend this as a feature on the BimmerPost Homepage. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo, VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. BMW parts 3' E46 320i Timing - Timing Chain Lower P. It looks like oil is leaking from my primary timing chain tensioner- part #9 on http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=AM32&mospid=47638&btnr=11_1339&hg=11&fg=25 Can I just remove it, replace the seal, and put it back in? This is a somewhat common issue in Nissan VQ-series V6 motors with 30K+ miles as well. That said, what filter would you suggest? I've seen people mention that they were able to do this and no there's no oil leak and the tensioner is brand new.

My car only do rattle at start up due to vanos. MI5. i just put it up there with the " add a quirk" list. They sit on the end of the camshafts at the top of the engine. Recent motor rebuild, so a new pump was installed, right?, New tensioner: what brand? Perhaps to reduce smoking? It gets quieter after driving it a minute, Occasionally car will stall out of nowhere and can't start it again for 10minutes, Car shakes as if tires are out of balance but only after the car warms up so after five to ten min car starts shaking while excelerating until a certain speed around forty mph what might be the causes. When I read about start-up rattle on these engines, I think the chain tensioners are leaking down pressure and/or are worn. You can let it ride and hope it doesnt blow up your engine and it might last a while. This doesn't sound like bottom-end knock or piston slap to me. Suspect its a tensioner bleeding down. I would try some engine flush or a sea foam flush in the engine.

thanks for all of your replies, i'm pretty surprised by some of them but im glad you posted to confirm that it is def any issue just about everyone is dealing with and so common that most think its fine and no big deal. I have always been kinda scared of trying that since its so thin when cold. ouich.

not too worried about it but it is annoying. I would highly advise getting the timing chains and tensioner replaced asap. Known weak point. Thanks for reading what I wrote in the OP, not. i have it also on my 2.5 legacy. Seems to be one of the few flaws on these otherwise bullet-proof trucks. Dont think ill worry about it till it starts doing it all the time im not sure if the t-chain guides were a problem on the z24 engines mine has a double row chain and i always use nissan filters and valvoline 10-30 oil i was wondering if i should switch to a heavier weight oil? But this morning, I didnt back in so the nose was facing uphill and it didnt make the noise. Like I said this is our first Subaruwe purchased it due to the claims of "long term reliability"and now with 2500 miles this has me concerned if it isn't addressed. H6 OBW VDC, H6 OB Sedan, Tribeca, Lifted XT6. I often lurk but this is my first official post. 100 threads on the topic. Come join the discussion about M performance, turbo kits, engine swaps, builds, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, and more! That may be the equivalent of low G turns during normal driving with only a 50% oil capacity. Help! It uses 0w-20 oil, so I believe it more to be a design issue maybe? Basically, the idea is to get the oil pump to push oil to the tensioner without allowing the engine to start. Definitely sounds like it is coming from the head. saturday on cold start up, i was parked on a slight incline with the nose facing downhill, and it made the noise. Its the notorious can full of marbles for a second after cold startup. since you made this thread, ive started paying attention to the noise on cold startups. See if that helps a little bit. Privacy Statement - the short rattle sound at startup is mildly annoying. Any INPA access to verify Vanos is normal? I have an 86 HB with the z24i engine and it does the exact same thing every morning. 2016 Outback Premium 2.5 CVT w/EyeSight+SRVD, "If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there."

Email or pm me your vin and I can check the special coverage status. __________________________________________ these things need reading on multiple slopes - you could have just been a bit unlevel. "You can do good or you can do well. What seems to make the problem better or worse? If you guys find this mildly annoying. The car has about 185K on it and always has come back with impeccable oil sample Blackstone results, owned it since new (much lower metal levels in oil than the average for N52 motors). Blown Timing Chain Cover Gasket: Should I do the chain and related hardware? Pulleys are New. Manage Preferences - See if you hear it from outside. In the morning when I first go to start the truck up I turn the engine over 3/4 of a full cycle or so 3-4 times in a row before starting it. As many of you guys know, I performed a complete M54 rebuild last year. Replace the one in my M5 at 66k miles as preventative maintenance. Whistle from timing belt when cold outside! I'll be interested to see if that fixes it. The timing chain problem were resolved half way through 02. Sounds like it's your issue. The car never made that noise before, so I checked again when I started the car again after going to the storesame thing. It is fixable. Check "Remember Me?" agree, the short rattle sound at startup is mildly annoying. The noise is the timing chain slapping around. I would hate to see how you function in daily life. Mine has 130 000kms. My Wife's Lexus with the yota 3.5 V6 has a chain and makes 0 noise on startup. Next I will get a hold of an oil pressure gauge and swap that in where the pressure relay currently resides to check my start and running pressures.